January 6th, 2013
|das_mervin||08:35 pm - THE CHATTERBOX: The Twilight Series|
The Chatterbox: The Twilight Series
I’m not going to pretend that this isn’t the biggest draw of the comm, so I figured it deserved its own forum of sorts. Anything goes here, guys—you can talk about anything Twilight-related here. The books, movies, the fanbase, Stephenie Meyer, your ex-Twihard status, your current Twihater status, anything. Just keep it relatively civil and keep it on topic. The usual Das Sporking rules apply—no politics, no religious arguments, no being a dick. You guys know how to behave.
So fellow ex-Twihards, what about embarrassing confessions regarding liking the series?
I still have my old copies of the books and I've found that I've folded corners on some pages. Pretty sure that was to mark the bits I liked so I'm way too terrified to look at them now.
Also, one memory I have from my fan days I was when I read Eclipse. I was reading the bit where Bella was backed up against the cliff watching the 'fight' but I'd gotten my glasses that day, so I kept picturing Bella as myself with my new glasses. Rather telling in hindsight.
|Date:||January 7th, 2013 07:51 am (UTC)|| |
I still have my books too, because they were presents from my younger sisters and I hate throwing those out. I keep them near the back of my bookshelf and only take them out for reviewing, comparisons or to check a Twihater or a Twihard claim.
I always thought Charlie, Emmett, and Leah were my favourite characters - that hasn't changed much.
|Date:||January 7th, 2013 03:49 am (UTC)|| |
Pre-Eclipse, I really liked Jacob. I still kinda do. That character derailment was done on purpose, I swear, because Meyer realized how much more likable Jacob was than Deadward. And then came the whole imprinting on a damn baby thing and yeah...
I just pretend pre-Eclipse and post-Ecliipse Jacob are two different people.
Also, Leah and Rosalie are really awesome and I always thought Emmet was kind of adorable in a big teddy-bear kinda sense. Good on Rosalie for picking him over Deadward.
Jacob's story arc is really weird, when you look at it as anything other than intentional character development.
Book 1: Nice kid, pleasantly non-stalkery, has an actual sense of fun
Book 2: Supernatural powers and some connections to the whole messed-up ragey werewolf thing, but still more associated with actual fun and pleasure than anyone else in the book
Book 3: Creepy douchbag who commits sexual assault
Book 4: Pedo
If I was intending to make people hate the character, I don't think I'd have gone that far.
My introduction to the series was a little odd.
I found out about it while I was in an event on GaiaOnline. It was 2008, and there was a Halloween event. (You got to choose between being a human, a vampire, a zombie, and a dark elf.)
Now, the thing is that during the event, there were forums that you could post in. (In my case, I could only post in the "Human" forums and everything else was blocked off to me until the event was over.)
Now, here's where it got interesting. The Vampire forums were FILLED, and I REALLY mean FILLED to the brim with topics about the series and everyone arguing whether they liked it or hated it, if it was a piece of crap, etc.
Naturally, I was confused as heck, so I asked my sister about the books, and she didn't know what it was about, either.
So, instead of taking sides on if it was crap or not, I decided to find a copy of the first book in a Target store, and I began to read it.
...I only made it to page three or four because the writing was awful and Bella quickly irritated the crap out of me. Normally, I'd try to finish any books that I start reading, but "Twilight" really broke that rule for me. To this day, it's the only book that I haven't finished.
(And I don't think that reading the sporking of the book here counts as reading it, eh? Sometimes, I think it does because I'm lazy about it.)
|Date:||January 7th, 2013 07:52 pm (UTC)|| |
I never saw it in any website when it first came out (Really, I guess it never popped up in my usual internet haunts). But I remember being really taken by the beautiful cover on book 1.
...I only made it to page three or four because the writing was awful and Bella quickly irritated the crap out of me. Normally, I'd try to finish any books that I start reading, but "Twilight" really broke that rule for me. To this day, it's the only book that I haven't finished.
Yeah. XD For my case, I think Smeyer never intended for a kid who's part Spanish white trash and part American redneck to ever read Twilight. Because if me and my friends had to encounter Bella, we would both be shocked, insulted and tearfully saddened that she gets to have 'the good life' and slag it off while we struggle to meet what it takes to be a 'happy' teenager.
Oddly enough, I heard of this series for the first time veeeery briefly when I saw a rant of my friends in DeviantArt. She was complaining about how boring it was that Bella was mentioning Edward's beauty, how isolated she was from her friends and how unnecessarily chaste the Edward/Bella scenes were. As such, it didn't get my attention. I even forgot the name of the book, even if it was an easy one.
Much later, I got into some parodies/comics of it, again in Deviantart.
And then, the summer of 2008 came. The movie had just come out and I was hearing about it everywhere. So, out of curiosity, I found a torrent with all of Meyer's works, The Host and Midnight Sun, too and I read them while I was at work, because my main job was to hunt down flies. It was THAT boring.
By the end of BD, I felt my brain mushed. I felt numb and I had a HUGE headache. I was wondering what the fuck I had just read. I searched in the Internet about it and I found Twilight Sucks and Yes, I read it, It's Still Stupid and my absolute favourite at that time, Mark Reads. I still remember fondly how eagerly I waited for his reviews, full of suffering and "WHY"s.
Then, I got into Mervin's reviews/recaps of the books that were hosted back into her own journal and everything went from there.
I hate this series with a passion, not just for the bad writing, or for the awful messages, for for all the potential it had and it pissed it down. Especially with the werewolves, who I had a crush on, despite the shit they gave on Leah, simply because they had HUMOR and JOY in what they did and who they were. I never sided with any of the vampires, not even Emmet and Rosalie and I never saw them as people. I really wanted the wolves to kill them and sometimes I still do. Just... off with their heads, the assholes.
I've read a ton of better-written fanfiction than the original, mainly Jacob/Bella (judge me, I don't care) and I have indulged them, I ENJOYED them. They made the source material so much more tolerable for me.
Oh I LOVED Mark Reads! Then when Harry Potter came around, it was so great to see him enjoy the series and watch him enjoy it for the first time around. I even remember a comment that was along the lines of "Mark, you were not prepared. And neither were we." Reading Twilight and then Harry Potter was probably a bit therapeutic for some people since Twilight brought back those memories the wrong way and then Harry Potter brought them back in the right way.
Has there ever been published Jacob/Bella fanfiction? There's Edward/Bella clones everywhere and I've seen a couple Edward/Jasper, but no Jacob/Bella. Which surprises me because I thought it was one of the more popular ships of Twilight fandom, with the whole "Team Jacob" thing and all.
Edited at 2013-01-07 08:03 pm (UTC)
|Date:||January 7th, 2013 09:10 pm (UTC)|| |
You never heard of the Russet Noon debacle
? A fan tried to publish a book about Jacob/Bella...without changing any names.
After looking back at the New Moon sporks, the Goddamn Hole reminds me of my panic attacks.
- It feels like there's a nice pain in your chest, maybe like a hole or like something is restricting the chest/heart area
- Difficult to breathe properly
- It has a trigger, and triggers don't have to be stress-related
- If not already stressed enough, it causes more stress and anxiety
Granted, how panic attacks affect a person varies to each individual, but it looks like Meyer gave Bella panic attack symptoms. However, I have no sympathy for Bella because she . . .
- Does absolutely nothing to deal with her "panic attacks"
- Has never had these before and they magically go away once her boy toy comes back
- Makes a goddamn show of it each time her Goddamn Hole comes up
thats the irritating thing about new moon for me. what bella went through is pretty normal for a high school students first meaningful breakup. you do get into that funk, sometimes to the extent bella did, and you do think the things she does. if my girlfriend broke up with me right now, id probably go into that same funk myself. bella does sometimes act like a melodramatic teen girl would do. very rarely, but sometimes.
My Intro into Twilight...
I have stated how I was introduced to Twilight in one of the chapter in Eclipse sad to say I dont remember what chapter it was but I know it was the chapter with the mouth rape scene in it.
But I will state it again my friend got me into reading the twilight saga she thought it was the series for me since I love vampire books and movies.
I have read everything from Anne Rice's vampire chronicals, to LJ Smith's vampire diaries and many more in between. My book collection at home is about 80 percent vampire books and movies.
Sad to say I have yet to read Bram Stoker's Dracula which is my biggest regret at the moment but believe me I plan on reading that sometime this year. It was my new years resolution after all.
But anyway my start into the books was my friend (or should I say my ex-friend) introduced me to these books. While I read mainly vampire books she loves love stories how the hell she managed to pick up the book Twilight is still a mystery to me.
But she suggested that I read these books but she didnt tell me anything about the series just said that since I love vampire books I should love Twilight. To say that I wasnt the biggest fan to begin with was an understatement. Made worse only by the fact that the vampires in this series sparkle in the sunlight and there was no vampires in this book to be had until the very end of it.
I still have no idea how the hell I managed to make it through New Moon. And Eclipse just about put me over the edge what with all the blatant abuse themes in it that I lost count of.
Re: My Intro into Twilight...
And then I get to the part where Jacob was talking about Quil imprinting on a two year old and how he felt that it was justified because he didnt fell that way about her which was a bunch of crock in my opinion and I lost any and all love that I might have had for Jacob in that moment.
I was molested when i was younger by my stepfather and I am pretty sure that he thought it was justified to do so to a six year old child. I wander what Jacob would have thought about that?
That was for one now lets skip a few years into the future shall we. I am now twenty years old and I have my very first birthday. I told him that I wanted to save myself for marriage and he wanted to have sex. We had only been together for 3 weeks at the time.
I will spare you the graphic details but I will say that he was let out of prision just last year for rape (of me specifically). And he will forever be known as a sex predator. In all honesty I dont think I was his first rape victim but if i never stopped him i definitly wouldnt have been his last.
It is the main reason that I stuck with vampire books and science fiction novels. I can't honestly pick up a book that is anything has to deal with real life books cause I cant read those books without being scared something in it will give me nightmares from my past.
So you can imagine how i felt after reading Eclipse and then Breaking Dawn that was probably not the best thing going into without knowing what the hell I was walking into. And my good friend didnt even bother to let me know ahead of time.
Had i know I might have been more prepared for what was happening but I had no idea and it is the reason we arent friends anymore. You cant imagine how pissed off I was when I confronted her about those memories that came rushing back to me that day.
The movie which came out just months after that only made the whole saga worse for me.
I will not go into my whole experience with breaking dawn I am just going to wait for those actual chapter to come out and be sporked before I say something about my experience with them.
The Twilight series came out when I was in high school, but I really don't remember hearing much about them until maybe 2008, learning that a friend of mine had a sister who loved the books, much to his dismay. Then I read some of the crazy things about the books' events and wondered if I should read it and see if what people were saying about it was true, but my library didn't have them and I wasn't willing to buy them if it was of mediocre quality.
Last year my family moved to a new town, and I saw that the library chain there did carry the series, so some time after I got my library card and eventually took out the series. Mom, not having heard anything about the series, said that I might actually like it in spite of my brother and sister who endlessly bash on it without having read it.
My mom couldn't have been more wrong if she tried.
I breezed through the books, but it was still so boring, with virtually no likeable characters, save for Charlie and Leah. It was just so bad. At least I can argue that the series sucks.
(I also borrowed and read The Host last year. It was bad and suffered a lot of the same problems Twilight did. Even when Meyer isn't writing Twilight, she writes Twilight.)
Aside from the terrible writing, misogyny, racism, etc. I have a more petty hate for the Twilight series because it was the first time I had to look at my friends and think "I don't know who you are anymore."
It was quite popular at my school when it first came out, and some of my friends were rec'ing it to me. Two were the biggest twihards ever and one thought it was mostly good but had a crap ending. I ended up not bothering to read it since I don't like getting invested in books only to be given a terrible ending (that means you My Sister's Keeper), and so I didn't encounter it until 4 years later after the first movie came out.
At that time, I looked it up out of curiosity and heard about the more infamous incidents in the books (the blank pages in new moon, the kidnapping, car sabotage and toddler imprinting in eclipse, everything about breaking dawn) and I felt betrayed. I trusted my friends to have better taste than that, but I guess that's allowed at 14/15
|Date:||January 8th, 2013 12:23 am (UTC)|| |
My introduction to the series was somewhat similar. When I first heard of the books, most of the girls at my school were raving about them. Since I wasn't really interested in all the attention the books were gathering, I didn't pay it any mind. But sometime in 2008, a few months before the movie came out, I had asked a close friend of mine if she had heard of the Twilight Series and asked if she would consider letting me borrow her copies of the books.
I read all the way up to Eclipse, and even though Edward's behavior and Bella's interactions with him seemed to set off red flags for me, I shrugged it off, thinking: "Oh, it's been a while since I've read anything decent, maybe it's nothing." Oh, how wrong I was.
I watched the movie after it came out, and Edward genuinely terrified me. Not as the sexy vampire Meyer was trying to portray him as, but as an abusive stalker who could easily come into my room if he wanted or tear the flesh off my body like paper. I never brought up the series around my friend after that, and I suppose it was a phase that she was going through that she promptly got over.
I never read Breaking Dawn, that I can say I'm truly grateful for. I heard some things about it floating around on the Internet, but I didn't dare dive into that mess and find out. It was only after the fanbase went into a huge uproar that I started getting more details about it, and I vowed I would never touch it. I figured it was just a huge phase that would eventually pass one day. I'm sixteen now, and I gotta say, I'll be more than grateful when all of this hype has died down.
I was a fan once. I was young, had just re-watched Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, so my Robert Pattinson crush was strong, and I'd always had a soft spot for vampires. So the combination of Robert + vampire romance seemed almost too good to be true, and I got New Moon (because the book store didn't have Twilight.) I remember reading the first chapter and being very confused that Edward was sparkling.
(This was before the first movie came out, so there wasn't all the internet hate yet.) Yes, I was very, very confused.
I also remember reading the part in Eclipse where Bella realized that the army in Seattle and Victoria were the same person, and I was just so confused, because I thought that was a given. So I was like, 'What... is the epiphany? Huh? What?'
And even as a fan I was outrageously bored by Breaking Dawn. Good GOD.
|Date:||January 8th, 2013 02:48 pm (UTC)|| |
That's exactly how I felt during Eclipse! I figured it was Victoria making an army almost as soon as they brought it up- really, WHO ELSE?- and assumed the characters knew it, too. Then the "mystery vampire stealing her clothes/ graduation epiphany" happened, and I was lost. I actually had go back and reread scenes before I realized this new vital information was something so painfully obvious.
|Date:||January 8th, 2013 01:26 pm (UTC)|| |
I apologise if this post offends anyone or if this has been discussed earlier (if it has, could you please link me to it?). But this has been nagging at me for so long, I just wanted to hear someone else's opinion on it.
Does imprinting sound to anyone else like the entire blame lies on the imprintee? Because Meyer makes it a point to beat us around the heads with a cricket bat and say "It's not romantic and we're perfectly happy being friends/brotherly with her, it's what SHE wants that counts", all the while implying something else entirely in the text.
Consider Sam and Emily. Emily was Leah's almost-sister. Would she have really wanted to break Leah's heart and be in a romantic relationship with Sam? Going by Meyer's words, it sounds like she's trying to say that Sam would have been perfectly happy with a platonic relationship, but it was Emily who wanted the romance.
And secondly, if imprinting doesn't necessarily have to be romantic, why are we never shown a single imprinter who thinks of his imprintee that way?
I know that this may just be one huge plothole, but it really offended me when I read the books the second time around.
"There’s nothing romantic about it at all, not for Quil, not now...It's not like love at first sight, really. It's more like... gravity moves.... suddenly. It's not the earth holding you here anymore, she does.... You become whatever she needs you to be, whether that's a protector, or a lover, or a friend." - Jacob, explicitly regarding Quil/Claire.
You know why Sam thinks we imprint, she thought, calmer now.
Sure. To carry on the line.
Right. To make a bunch of new little werewolves. Survival of the species, genetic override. You’re drawn to the person who gives you the best chance to pass on the wolf gene. - Jacob and Leah, regarding the biological purpose.
I think it's just possible to make sense of these two conflicting statements by saying that imprinting on a woman who is fertile has to be sexual, but imprinting on a two-year-old girl has to be whatever she wants...that will enable romance to ensue once she hits puberty. Sam was so mad that Emily wouldn't fuck him that he slashed her face open, but Quil and Jacob are still only grooming their future love interests.
This squicks me out even more, since that theory'd mean that Quil and Jacob are going to start to try to get Claire and Renesmee into bed as soon as their imprintees are physically capable of bearing healthy children, which could be in their early teens (or the physical equivalent for Renesmee). I doubt imprinting magic gives a fuck for
values like emotional maturity or informed consent.
(Side note: as depicted the biological purpose is incredibly inefficient. What if the imprintee has the right genetics to make baby werewolves, but dies before reproducing / is in an accident that harms their reproductive capability / is a transman who physically transitions and is no longer able to become pregnant / is a lesbian / etc? The imprintee would obviously be a complete human being who is worth infinitely more than their theoretical ability to reproduce, but it's foolish from a biological standpoint to have all the eggs for new baby werewolves in one basket, as it were.)
I'm ashamed to admit I was once a fan. It wasn't until New Moon that I began to see Twilight for the wreck it was; by Breaking Dawn I was totally disillusioned but too invested to quit without finishing.
|Date:||January 11th, 2013 01:27 am (UTC)|| |
Re: Ex-fans, what changed your mind?
Where did it first start? New Moon.
Once Edward broke up with her and the page-wasting started, I remember hating that part. Granted, I was a fan, so I cried at the outcome, but I distinctly remember hating the infamous "blank pages". It grinded my gears that the editor let her waste paper like that. I'm not sure if I looked past it because it was symbolic or not, but I do remember that I just kept on trucking.
What really changed my mind? The very end of Breaking Dawn.
It was just buildup, buildup, buildup, but no payoff at the end of it all. I was expecting--hoping even--for just some violent battle. Even if she did a cutaway, just some kind of consequence in the end. That was what I wanted, and when it didn't happen, and everyone returned to their happy little world, I was downright pissed.
I tried not to spoil it for anyone, but I expected someone else to see my viewpoint. And when most of my friends didn't, I got frustrated. Granted, my boyfriend (who I forced to read the books with me) said he hated the ending too. Actually, he really didn't care for the series at all, and his opinion on everything only got worse.
But after the end of Breaking Dawn, I started looking around on the Internet, and I noticed that others hated the ending too. I started talking with people about it, and I started seeing what everyone else hated about the series in general. It was then that I knew I was an anti.
Eventually, TVTropes linked me over here, and my anti-Twilight discussion started up again (much to my boyfriend's dismay). But, I didn't go back to the books; I ended up selling them and/or giving them away because they were cluttering up my bookshelf.
Leah and Imprinting
That is another problem I have with the book, and I was going to wait until that particular chapter was sporked before I put something up about it (but I obviously changed my mind about that and discussing it here see what you think).
One of the MAJOR problems I had with this book was when Leah and Jacob was talking about Bella and Rosalie in the novel. And it is brought up that Leah also wants a child. (I dont know why that surprised me as much as it did when I got to that part of the book but it did).
Leah is talking about how she was a genetic dead end and I was like WHAT? She was saying how her periods stopped and she cant have children anymore because becoming a werewolf stopped her biological system clock whatever you call it. (This is sad I am in the medical field and I cant think of what this is called. I guess that is what happens when you are working until 2 in the morning go home for some sleep and my roommate wakes you up at 6 in the morning. Yeah I am pissed because its now 9:22 in the morning and I have yet to get back to sleep).
Anyway back on topic...
Leah was talking about how she always wanted children and her becoming a werewolf screwed that all up. While I was reading that scene for the first time I thought back to Eclipse and how the men in this story doesnt seem to have that problem.
In fact the very first werewolf Teho Aki (or whatever his name is) had three wives. And as far as I can tell he had children with each of them. Which means that male wolves can spread their seed into anyone they want and have children with them. While apparently if the woman does the same thing she wont be able to become pregant. (I guess Leah has the ultimate form of birth control then).
Which brings about another subject that they were talking about on this matter and that was how much Leah missed Sam. Even after all that he did to her she misses him. That would be like a woman saying she misses her boyfriend who used to beat her and talk down about her and what not.
And she goes from there to "I wish I would just imprint because than I can get over Sam faster and dont have to worry about him anymore."
Of course that is not the exact quote, but on the other hand I thought that is what you did by joining Jacob's pack saying a big fuck you to Sam by leaving him and his pack behind.
Now to get to the part that I have been dying to discuss with someone but could never find anyone to do so.
The imprinting and what I think that its going to mean for Leah.
I have a video on youtube where I discuss the whole Leah and Rosalie situation and Tihe Aki situation because I was hoping to get a discussion out of it and it didnt work.
But here is the thing if man doesnt have these problems why do the woman? Which brings about imprinting and what I think about how that is going to affect Leah.
I think that if Leah imprints she might lose her ability to become a wolf for one. Two I think that she might become the house wife and raise her children which is only down grading woman all the more.
does anyone else fee the same or is it just me.
|Date:||January 11th, 2013 06:58 pm (UTC)|| |
Re: Leah and Imprinting
I'm with you. Glad Smeyer didn't write from Leah's POV, otherwise she might have Leah imprint on someone who treats her just like everyone else does (because she isn't very good at writing likeable love interests, or people in general).
So, just realized- does it ever mention in Breaking Dawn what Bella and Edward's first dance at the wedding is? Or in the movie? I mean, I know it would give the wedding some kind of personality, but you would think it's something worth mentioning?
Personally, I know she probably chose some random classical music to prove how Special and Unique they are, but personally I'm pulling for "Every Breath You Take".
... That is so appropriate, it's Nightmare Fuel. I hope you know that.
Making a Carlisle-related thread for anyone interested.
I gotta say, though, it's interesting that we don't hear anything about Carlisle's time working at a hospital. Granted, we hear him talk about souls and stuff at the beginning of New Moon, but what about the stories that come with that environment?
My dad worked as a doctor's aid back before paramedics were around in the hospital he worked at. It was one of the most life-enrichening experiences he's ever had. There are so many stories he walked away with over how ridiculous people are, how people can come together to save lives even if they're bitter enemies, the ability to heal and comfort people when they're at they're lowest, and gaining the ability to connect but not form deep attachments. Dad's come home with trinkets, stories, self-defense techniques, and so many things by just working there.
What did Carlisle bring home? Stolen blood and equipment?
My "Twilight" Story
I came to the series late. I remember when I joined Facebook in 2009, saw all the "Edward Cullen" flair, and had no idea who they were referring to.
Mostly,* I listened to the books as "Playaway" audio books. I like to listen to audio books during runs or while drawing, and for some reason, in audio format, I'm more willing to give a chance to books I'd normally pass up. When I saw that my library system had the series as Playaways, I thought I might as well see what the fuss was about.
Let's see. Almost immediately, I hated Bella. She was just so negative about everything--her parents, her self-chosen "exile" in Forks, the new classmates who went out of their way to be friendly with her. And then from the moment she first noticed Edward, it was all about "He's so beautiful, so pretty, pretty, pretty." Okay, he's pretty, got it.
And the meadow. I hate the stupid meadow. I remember wondering why Bella kept making such a big freaking deal over the dumbass meadow, and then I read Meyer's story about her [wet] dream that started her on the path to writing Twilight. Oh, right. Her dream was set in that stupid meadow.
Almost immediately, Edward came across to me as a controlling, abusive, stalking boyfriend, what with his controlling and isolating Bella from her friends. I couldn't understand why people were so crazy about the so-called love story in these books.
I stuck with the entire series because I found its badness kind of fascinating. I couldn't believe the depth of the badness and had to keep going to find our just how much more badness there was, and in what way it developed.
*"Mostly" because one of the players malfunctioned near the end (the first, I think), so I finished up with the printed text. And one of them--I think it was Eclipse--I just read in print because it was more readily available than the Playaway version.
|Date:||February 4th, 2013 03:51 am (UTC)|| |
I've run searches for "ex-Twimom", "former Twimom", "former Twilight mom" and "previous Twilight mom"...and none of these phrases have come up in Google searches. None. Wouldn't you think that at least one person would post somewhere and say, "I'm a former Twimom"?
What do you guys think of the pairing Leah/Chelsea?
I kind of really like it.
|Date:||April 20th, 2013 08:00 pm (UTC)|| |
Maybe it's just me, but the whole idea of Chelsea makes me want to hide under my bed. Still, if she was able to form a real, loving relationship without using her monumentally creepy power, and if said relationship happened to be with Leah, I would certainly be very happy for them.
Here's a comic! Oh, and...
In honor of the release of Rifftrax's Breaking Dawn Part 2 riff, I have been busy creating pics for the tumblr tag 'Aro being delighted by things'. If you get a moment, please check them out and/or contribute your own!
|Date:||March 16th, 2013 05:17 pm (UTC)|| |
And FOLLOWED!!! :D
I only skimmed through the first three movies, and I'm downloading right now the last one so I can listen to it with the rifftrax. I need a good laugh, and watching this makes me want to write. I tried to read the books, hell even downloaded the complete series, and I couldn't make past the first chapter of this farce.
This makes feel better about my own ablity to write, because I know I write better than this hack, hell my 8 year old daughter can come up with a much better story than twilight. And I am the only one when watching this imagined some type of vampire hunter ritually disemboweling the cullens?
Anyway, I often wonder if Stephanie Meyer was high or suffering from some type of mental disease when she wrote this piece of crap.
|Date:||March 16th, 2013 05:24 pm (UTC)|| |
Many of us here are toying with the idea of some mental illness or another... from what the internet (yes, my sites are validated) and my friend (who is a psychiatrist) are saying, I personally favor a rare kind of OCD as her obsession with the characters. I'm not sure about anything else yet. If anyone has theories we can put them here.
So, there seems to be an ongoing thing about how Alice's name was originally Mary Alice, so why would she call herself Alice? And I can only think of one reason:
Her family were Catholic.
'Mary' is a really common name in Ireland, and 'Mary X' a common combination... or at least was until relatively recently. My grandmother and one of her sisters were both Mary X, as was their mother. My mother was nearly a Mary. I'm pretty sure that for a serious portion of time in Spain, girls had to legally be called Maria X. (Under Franco? I had the conversation in Spanish, so the details are a little vague in my mind.) Brandon is an Irish surname, and we all know Meyer is all about the stereotypes, so you can figure that the Irish are all Catholics in her view.
Many of these Marys would then go by their middle name, because your average person probably knew a lot of Marys.
Anyway, this was what I presumed when I first heard the name, before I found out about the vitriol aimed at Catholics throughout the series. But maybe Alice ~got better~ when she forgot her Catholic past?
Hoping that this doesn't cross the 'religious arguments' rule or anything. It was just a headcanon.
There was an influx of Irish immigrants in the 1840s or so, though I don't remember when Alice was turned. So that could almost make sense.
I like to think the Volturi are just one branch of the Catholic church, since there are only a million and five branches. Stands to reason there'd be one to handle the vampire threat. Or, better reasoning than anything this series offers.
Does that mean her Catholic-ness is laying in wait?
Didn't the Volturi want Alice to joint them at some point in New Moon?
Twilight and Baby Names
In 2010, according to the Social Security Administration, Isabella was the #1 most popular girl's name, and Jacob was the #1 most popular boy's name. (Edward was not in the top 20).